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- From: kcline@sun132.spd.dsccc.com (Kevin Cline)
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- Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Vacant Job Positions
- Date: 14 Feb 1996 13:24:43 -0600
- Organization: DSC Communications Corporation Switch Products Division
- Message-ID: <4ftctr$a5g@sun132.spd.dsccc.com>
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- In article <3120B741.3482@crl.com>, john b <jointprd@crl.com> wrote:
- >> > On the other hand, if I have no degree, but have been doing doing
- >> > client/server, sockets, daemons, database, etc., programming, for
- >> > the last few years, many places won't even read my resume. This
- >> > seems strange to me.
- >>
- >
- >I think we're spending more time on this post than corporate America is
- >spending on interviewing. :)
- >
- >Correct my summary of this issue if I'm wrong.
- >
- >1) Corporate America does not recognize that there are very competent
- >"non-degreed computer" people out there.
-
- Not entirely true. DSC does hire non-degreed programmers, and
- promotes them when warranted. I personally know one of the people at
- the top of DSC's technical ladder who does not have a degree, and
- another two people on the next rung down. We do not hire uneducated
- programmers, and we probably would not hire an inexperienced programmer
- without a degree. The hardest problem for people without degrees
- is getting that first job.
-
- >2) Corporate America is probably bypassing a great source of knowledge.
-
- Probably not. These people are exceptional. Still, it is stupid to
- discard candidates solely because they do not have a degree.
-
- >3) Most of corporate America is prejudice.
-
- That's "prejudiced". I think you will find that the more peripheral
- software development is to a company's core business, the more reluctant
- they will be to hire non-degreed people. The reason is that companies
- that are not in the software business are less able to evaluate
- technical expertise.
-
- Personally, I am quite prejudiced against people who misspell words or
- use poor grammar on a resume; particularly if the person is a native
- English speaker.
-
- >4) All things equal, a degree will always win out.
-
- Probably true.
-
- >5) Having a degree does not make you any better than anyone else.
-
- True.
-
- 6) Not having a degree more than likely will limit initial opportunities,
- but if persistent things will work out.
-
- Probably true.
-
- >7) Good experience is worth just as much as a degree.
-
- Experience and education are complimentary. Learning by experience is
- the slowest way; it is much faster to learn from the experience of
- others through reading.
-
- Programming is an intellectual activity; techniques can be learned and
- saved until needed. This is different from physical activities (like
- pottery); significant experience is required to master any new
- technique.
-
- --
- Kevin Cline
-